Why do men lose custody (by default), isolated from their families, and forced to support a ';family'; that is never going to be his again. How is this different from, or any better than, rape?Why are men forced to provide resources outside of marriage and mated pair-bond for the first time in history?
This is because the feminists vision of the new matriarchy is slightly different than the one we knew before patriarchy. It is what I like to call viral matriarchy because it uses some of the systems of the patriarchy much like a virus might use the hosts bloodstream for its own purposes.
Under patriarchy, women sacrifice their right to sexual promiscuity and the exclusive right to parenthood in exchange for support from a male provider. However, women have recently identified in the legal system (an aspect of patriarchal civilization) an alternate route for securing this male support. Rather than eliciting the desired behaviour from males, they now simply convince the government to use its enormous powers of coercion to force men to fall into line and comply with their wishes.
Basically they are able to get the financial support of a husband (which is all they really want men for) but without any reciprocal obligations on their part and without sacrificing their right to have promiscuous sex with other men.
@ I eat License plates: Why thank you :)Why are men forced to provide resources outside of marriage and mated pair-bond for the first time in history?
It really isn't against men. Men just happen to be the one who often chooses to leave the house. Once you leave that house, you're going to have to fight damn hard for what you left behind. They say that posession is 9/10's of the law.
Everyone loses in that ';family';. Not just the mother or father, but the children have significant loss. They'd love to see their family back together - as one unit again. But, they cope with the changes and slowly learn to enjoy the differences between their 2 homes.
ETA: The law wants parents to have 50/50 custody of the children. Those who are unable to adequately care for their children 50% of the time then have visitation ordered. Believe it or not, the law believes that mothers and fathers are equal.
Well in the past, couples remained married even if the relationship lost its sizzle. Adultery was rampant, closeted, tolerated. Of course, women were forced to tolerate it because it was the only option they had to maintain reasonable security for themselves and the children.
In today's society we view relationships as disposable, but the children they produce are not. It's a social conundrum not unlike the ethical dilemma we face as a result of technology advancing too quickly. What appears to be a good short term solution has negative effects long-term.
Of course, I object to your rape analogy, as any rape survivor would.
You were a willing participant in creating those children, you need to uphold the associated responsibility. You DO have a choice, ya know...you could choose marriage and family life. Marriage is not what you see in fairy tales, and ';happily ever after'; only comes to those who work for it.
The court decided that a woman's relationship with her offspring begins at conception while a man's relationship begins at birth. This overly simplistic and grossly inaccurate assumption completely ignores those who plan for and hope for children, often years or even decades before that realization, in which the relationship with the child-to-be has developed from a life-long commitment and pursuit.
It is a rather distasteful state of affairs.
because men are lower than worms according to the US legal system.
Thursday, May 13, 2010
What the hell does a catholic priest know about marriage or any real adult relationship?
if you want a divorce from a catholic marriage you have to go to counseling with a man who has never even had a sexual relationship(supposedly)What the hell does a catholic priest know about marriage or any real adult relationship?
Yeah, seems pretty screwey...kinda like a social worker fresh out of college with no kids.What the hell does a catholic priest know about marriage or any real adult relationship?
It is sad to see people being so ignorant. Before you make comments on how a preist is out of his skill set or anything of the such you should understand what marriage is. Its not a contract and until you realize it is a sacrament in the eyes of god and both parties involved
Just like in all counseling, education and experience.
Did you know that no marriage counselors (even non-priests) are required to have been married?
An experienced and understanding priest can have thousands of hours of marriage counseling under his belt. He probably has heard every story several times. He knows what to say and how to say it. He will know more about real life marriage than most (not all) married couples.
Even a relatively new priest has taken counseling and psychology classes in his (at least) eight years of college and further years of on the job training.
By the way, priests are real adults and have real adult relationships. They just happen to be celibate relationships just like those of hundreds of millions of single adults in the world.
With love in Christ.
%26lt;%26lt;What the hell does a catholic priest know about marriage or any real adult relationship?%26gt;%26gt;
The priest knows more about marriage than half of the couples who have been married.
%26lt;%26lt;if you want a divorce from a catholic marriage you have to go to counseling with a man who has never even had a sexual relationship(supposedly)%26gt;%26gt;
Wrong.
1) Marriage is a Sacred institution forged in a Holy Sacrament. How knows more about the Sacred than priests?
2) Also, there's more to marriage than sex. One does not need to have had sex in order to know something about it.
For example: Sex is a Sacred Act. It is the consumation of the marital union - which is why it must only take place between a husband and wife.
Bet you didn't know that, and here I thought non-priests were the experts on sex.
Lastly, it is theologically possible for a married man to become a priest. I bet you didn't know that either. So much for non-priestly wisdom when it comes to sex and marriage.
How can any professional, or just anyone in general, know about something they haven't experienced for themselves? But you still go to your friends for advise don't you? You still go to family members for their insight. as human beings, they have insight into the human condition.
Also of note, The Church doesn't allow divorce. Any divorce of a Catholic couple would be civil, and not at all recognised by the Church, so there would be no reason for a court to force them to see a priest.
Priests know about marriage from training and observation. I mean, how much does the COUPLE know about marriage before being married? Training and observation.
As for your complaint about counseling, is sex the only reason you want a divorce? Highly unlikely. Usually the problems that lead couples to divorce have NOTHING to do with sex, and the priest is fully trained and capable of helping them get things worked out. Matrimony is a SACRAMENT for Catholics, and priests have an interest in helping couples achieve healthy, happy marriages.
I agree to an extent there are problems with the Catholic Church but you cannot say that you will make changes from within on thing such as abortion, homosexuality, birth control or women priests. These are basic tenents of our faith. If these are things that you feel that strongly about then it would be right for you to leave the Catholic Church because you are not in communion with the Church. If you are upset with the music at mass or the amount of time your parish or diocese spends with the poor by all means speak up and work to change it, but what people have to realize is that the Catholic Church is a package deal when it comes to the tenents of the faith. If there are things in the Catechism that you are not sure about study and learn why we believe such a thing because once you start picking and choosing which parts of the Catechism to believe you have started making your own rules. This happend long ago in the 1500 a man was upset, and for the most part rightly so with the Catholic Church but he decided to make his own rules. That man was Martin Luther and we all know what happened next. So while I agree with your statement on the outset, there are certain things that will not change and that is why we are the Catholic Church. God Bless!!!
Marriage and family life is not just a human institution but a divine decree and has supernatural meaning. So the priest knows the purpose of God in making a man and a woman into a single flesh in marriage.
1) Some Catholic priests are married. They are very common in the Eastern rites of the Catholic Church.
2) I've never heard of this requirement you allege. Do you have a source?
Exactly. It's like asking your newspaper deliver man to perform open heart surgery on you. Religion...
One of many non biblical problems with Catholicism.
Not much, really, huh?
Yeah, seems pretty screwey...kinda like a social worker fresh out of college with no kids.What the hell does a catholic priest know about marriage or any real adult relationship?
It is sad to see people being so ignorant. Before you make comments on how a preist is out of his skill set or anything of the such you should understand what marriage is. Its not a contract and until you realize it is a sacrament in the eyes of god and both parties involved
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Just like in all counseling, education and experience.
Did you know that no marriage counselors (even non-priests) are required to have been married?
An experienced and understanding priest can have thousands of hours of marriage counseling under his belt. He probably has heard every story several times. He knows what to say and how to say it. He will know more about real life marriage than most (not all) married couples.
Even a relatively new priest has taken counseling and psychology classes in his (at least) eight years of college and further years of on the job training.
By the way, priests are real adults and have real adult relationships. They just happen to be celibate relationships just like those of hundreds of millions of single adults in the world.
With love in Christ.
%26lt;%26lt;What the hell does a catholic priest know about marriage or any real adult relationship?%26gt;%26gt;
The priest knows more about marriage than half of the couples who have been married.
%26lt;%26lt;if you want a divorce from a catholic marriage you have to go to counseling with a man who has never even had a sexual relationship(supposedly)%26gt;%26gt;
Wrong.
1) Marriage is a Sacred institution forged in a Holy Sacrament. How knows more about the Sacred than priests?
2) Also, there's more to marriage than sex. One does not need to have had sex in order to know something about it.
For example: Sex is a Sacred Act. It is the consumation of the marital union - which is why it must only take place between a husband and wife.
Bet you didn't know that, and here I thought non-priests were the experts on sex.
Lastly, it is theologically possible for a married man to become a priest. I bet you didn't know that either. So much for non-priestly wisdom when it comes to sex and marriage.
How can any professional, or just anyone in general, know about something they haven't experienced for themselves? But you still go to your friends for advise don't you? You still go to family members for their insight. as human beings, they have insight into the human condition.
Also of note, The Church doesn't allow divorce. Any divorce of a Catholic couple would be civil, and not at all recognised by the Church, so there would be no reason for a court to force them to see a priest.
Priests know about marriage from training and observation. I mean, how much does the COUPLE know about marriage before being married? Training and observation.
As for your complaint about counseling, is sex the only reason you want a divorce? Highly unlikely. Usually the problems that lead couples to divorce have NOTHING to do with sex, and the priest is fully trained and capable of helping them get things worked out. Matrimony is a SACRAMENT for Catholics, and priests have an interest in helping couples achieve healthy, happy marriages.
I agree to an extent there are problems with the Catholic Church but you cannot say that you will make changes from within on thing such as abortion, homosexuality, birth control or women priests. These are basic tenents of our faith. If these are things that you feel that strongly about then it would be right for you to leave the Catholic Church because you are not in communion with the Church. If you are upset with the music at mass or the amount of time your parish or diocese spends with the poor by all means speak up and work to change it, but what people have to realize is that the Catholic Church is a package deal when it comes to the tenents of the faith. If there are things in the Catechism that you are not sure about study and learn why we believe such a thing because once you start picking and choosing which parts of the Catechism to believe you have started making your own rules. This happend long ago in the 1500 a man was upset, and for the most part rightly so with the Catholic Church but he decided to make his own rules. That man was Martin Luther and we all know what happened next. So while I agree with your statement on the outset, there are certain things that will not change and that is why we are the Catholic Church. God Bless!!!
Marriage and family life is not just a human institution but a divine decree and has supernatural meaning. So the priest knows the purpose of God in making a man and a woman into a single flesh in marriage.
1) Some Catholic priests are married. They are very common in the Eastern rites of the Catholic Church.
2) I've never heard of this requirement you allege. Do you have a source?
Exactly. It's like asking your newspaper deliver man to perform open heart surgery on you. Religion...
One of many non biblical problems with Catholicism.
Not much, really, huh?
Why does john mccain talk about the sanctity of marriage when he cheated on his own crippled wife?
I sure would like to know?Why does john mccain talk about the sanctity of marriage when he cheated on his own crippled wife?
Dig deep if you want to. But your gonna have a hard time finding something that sticks to a bona fide hero.Why does john mccain talk about the sanctity of marriage when he cheated on his own crippled wife?
LET THOSE AMONG US WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE....
How do you know what his first wife was like?
At least he never made statements like this:
Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
';The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.';
From 'Dreams of my Father', ';In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school';
';I studied the Koran..';
From 'Audacity of Hope: ';Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ....';I looked to Lolo for guidance';.
From 'The Audacity Of Hope, ';I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.';
From The Audacity Of Hope, ';We are no longer just a Christian nation,'; ';We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.';
.
From Dreams of My Father, '; I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE';.
From 'Dreams of my Father', ';The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.';
From 'Dreams of My Father',
';I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites';
From Dreams Of My Father, ';never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself..';.
From Dreams Of My Father:
';That hate hadn't gone away,'; he wrote, blaming ';white people 鈥?some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.';
From Dreams Of My Father;
';There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,'; he wrote. ';It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names';
From Dreams Of My Father, ';I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.';
McCain is an American hero. He loves this country. Would you rather have him or a man who makes statements such as Obama?
Because like most politicians he is a hypocrite who think nothing of cheating and lying if it fits their purpose.
You say ';let he who is without sin cast the fist stone then you throw a stone at obama.'; Are you retarded?
Why does Obama say he isn't raciest? If he only like one color then he has no respect for this sista.
He's well and truly a hypocrite.
Love this question.
He is an old senile man who will try to ruin this country, I don't know why he wants to become President...
Find me someone in this world who doesn't cheat????? it bears nothing on his ability to govern this country!
Dig deep if you want to. But your gonna have a hard time finding something that sticks to a bona fide hero.Why does john mccain talk about the sanctity of marriage when he cheated on his own crippled wife?
LET THOSE AMONG US WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE....
How do you know what his first wife was like?
At least he never made statements like this:
Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:
';The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.';
From 'Dreams of my Father', ';In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school';
';I studied the Koran..';
From 'Audacity of Hope: ';Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ....';I looked to Lolo for guidance';.
From 'The Audacity Of Hope, ';I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.';
From The Audacity Of Hope, ';We are no longer just a Christian nation,'; ';We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.';
.
From Dreams of My Father, '; I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE';.
From 'Dreams of my Father', ';The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.';
From 'Dreams of My Father',
';I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites';
From Dreams Of My Father, ';never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself..';.
From Dreams Of My Father:
';That hate hadn't gone away,'; he wrote, blaming ';white people 鈥?some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.';
From Dreams Of My Father;
';There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,'; he wrote. ';It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names';
From Dreams Of My Father, ';I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.';
McCain is an American hero. He loves this country. Would you rather have him or a man who makes statements such as Obama?
Because like most politicians he is a hypocrite who think nothing of cheating and lying if it fits their purpose.
You say ';let he who is without sin cast the fist stone then you throw a stone at obama.'; Are you retarded?
Why does Obama say he isn't raciest? If he only like one color then he has no respect for this sista.
He's well and truly a hypocrite.
Love this question.
He is an old senile man who will try to ruin this country, I don't know why he wants to become President...
Find me someone in this world who doesn't cheat????? it bears nothing on his ability to govern this country!
Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
Making a marriage work can be difficult, frustrating, and very challenging...But more and more couples are realising that they need to give special attention to make their marriages work...Everyone employs different techniques -- right from analysing the problem themselves to getting professional help. Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
I think it can help but ONLY if both parties are willing to go through the process. Even personal therapy is difficult so I can imagine how much worse the beginning stages are when 2 people are involved. Unfortunately in order to get to the core of some issues you have to go through a journey of pain first. I thought I felt like crap when I entered therapy for myself but I had no idea I would feel even worse the first few weeks. I had to confront some demons that I really wanted to squash %26amp; not think about. That's when a lot of people drop out. They think therapy makes them feel worse because they're not seeing the light at the END of the tunnel. Especially for married couples. Men do not like to be challenged. If someone points their finger at them %26amp; says they're wrong they usually bail. They're not willing to sit there %26amp; be told by another man (or especially a woman) that they are at fault. Best of luck. If you both have an open mind it will work. I know my husband would never make it through one session.Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
I think if 2people really want to save their marriage %26amp; move it forward to a new stage they will have to go through so much to get there as counselling can open up a lot of pain %26amp; issues both people are feeling. It can also bring out resentments, pain but then the healing can begin %26amp; with the help of counselling they can learn to communicate easier so can move forward....It at least shows that both people are willing to give it one last try to make it work...The good thing I would think is that it gives the people a chance to talk without arguing if were left to their own devices to try %26amp; sort out. Hope you are well :)
For some this can work but in all cases both parties have to be willing to participate. I have found in my many years of marriage that having God in my life and my marriage has be a strong building block to success in my life.
You want success in life and in your relationship be it BF/GF or husband and wife. SEEK GOD AND PRAYER.
Trust me miracles do happen it is not a load of BS. If you was to look at most of the long lasting marriages in this world I would succumb to many of them having some kind of religion or belief in God in their life.
Having an all powerful force to handle some of the rough parts of any relationship or just to be there to comfort you and bring you joy and peace is awesome.
Love God, Love your life, Have Faith he can save everything.
It takes two willing parties to make a marriage work, if the two of you want to work out the issues at hand and to all the hard work, then go for it..relationships in general takes time and attention..marriages are so long term..they need maintaince from time to time..
To truly love, this is all that's required. Men have forgotten that women are a mystery to be solved and that to a true lover a woman hides nothing.
In my opinion I feel it all depends on the circumstances. If 2 people can not live happily together then no counseling no matter how good the counselor is will work.
Under these situation counselling will help to save the marriage from breaking?
yes definitely! i myself am a counselor. its not an easy task. but surely it can help the family deal with major issues that otherwise wud remain unresolved.
Yes, It can help if two people are willing to work at it. If both partners gave 100% to the other person, there would be no need for any one to want anything,
If there is a little will ,there is a way.........counselling helps to save the marriage...........
Sometimes it can, sometimes it makes things worse. It really depends on who wants what to work.
only true love can save a marriage.....if love is there then this situation wont arise.....
counselling helps them stay under one roof and pursuing their own life.
Provided both of them go with an open mind and a big Heart.
Yes surely.
I really don't know me myself having problems with my husband
Yes,it is the best.
upcource yes..but there is a condition that d couple should believe
that counceller w'll tell right thing %26amp; we should obey that............ then that w'l work................
depends maybe or may not be
all the best
I think it can help but ONLY if both parties are willing to go through the process. Even personal therapy is difficult so I can imagine how much worse the beginning stages are when 2 people are involved. Unfortunately in order to get to the core of some issues you have to go through a journey of pain first. I thought I felt like crap when I entered therapy for myself but I had no idea I would feel even worse the first few weeks. I had to confront some demons that I really wanted to squash %26amp; not think about. That's when a lot of people drop out. They think therapy makes them feel worse because they're not seeing the light at the END of the tunnel. Especially for married couples. Men do not like to be challenged. If someone points their finger at them %26amp; says they're wrong they usually bail. They're not willing to sit there %26amp; be told by another man (or especially a woman) that they are at fault. Best of luck. If you both have an open mind it will work. I know my husband would never make it through one session.Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
I think if 2people really want to save their marriage %26amp; move it forward to a new stage they will have to go through so much to get there as counselling can open up a lot of pain %26amp; issues both people are feeling. It can also bring out resentments, pain but then the healing can begin %26amp; with the help of counselling they can learn to communicate easier so can move forward....It at least shows that both people are willing to give it one last try to make it work...The good thing I would think is that it gives the people a chance to talk without arguing if were left to their own devices to try %26amp; sort out. Hope you are well :)
For some this can work but in all cases both parties have to be willing to participate. I have found in my many years of marriage that having God in my life and my marriage has be a strong building block to success in my life.
You want success in life and in your relationship be it BF/GF or husband and wife. SEEK GOD AND PRAYER.
Trust me miracles do happen it is not a load of BS. If you was to look at most of the long lasting marriages in this world I would succumb to many of them having some kind of religion or belief in God in their life.
Having an all powerful force to handle some of the rough parts of any relationship or just to be there to comfort you and bring you joy and peace is awesome.
Love God, Love your life, Have Faith he can save everything.
It takes two willing parties to make a marriage work, if the two of you want to work out the issues at hand and to all the hard work, then go for it..relationships in general takes time and attention..marriages are so long term..they need maintaince from time to time..
To truly love, this is all that's required. Men have forgotten that women are a mystery to be solved and that to a true lover a woman hides nothing.
In my opinion I feel it all depends on the circumstances. If 2 people can not live happily together then no counseling no matter how good the counselor is will work.
Under these situation counselling will help to save the marriage from breaking?
yes definitely! i myself am a counselor. its not an easy task. but surely it can help the family deal with major issues that otherwise wud remain unresolved.
Yes, It can help if two people are willing to work at it. If both partners gave 100% to the other person, there would be no need for any one to want anything,
If there is a little will ,there is a way.........counselling helps to save the marriage...........
Sometimes it can, sometimes it makes things worse. It really depends on who wants what to work.
only true love can save a marriage.....if love is there then this situation wont arise.....
counselling helps them stay under one roof and pursuing their own life.
Provided both of them go with an open mind and a big Heart.
Yes surely.
I really don't know me myself having problems with my husband
Yes,it is the best.
upcource yes..but there is a condition that d couple should believe
that counceller w'll tell right thing %26amp; we should obey that............ then that w'l work................
depends maybe or may not be
all the best
Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
If so would God recognize a marriage performed by an average joe?Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
God Almighty is Just God, He does not punish some for others actions.
Every person is responsible for his/her actions not for others.Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
Yes. There was an early heresy colled Donatism that held otherwise. It was refuted by the doctrine ';ex opere operato'; (';from the work, the effect';) that proclaimed that the sacrament was effective regardles of the moral state of the minister. (Otherwise it would be a nightmare to sort out which rites were valid when.)
An average joe can ';perform'; a marriage if he is recognized by the state as a reliable witness, which is all the presider actually is. (It's the partners who do the marrying.) A judge, a licensed minister, maybe even a notary public, can witness the signing of a marriage certificate, which is all the state cares about. (A church may require a little more though.)
The Church teaches yes, for as long as all other rules of the church have been observed and met and no other impediments stand in the way. It is not the person that binds together a man and a woman in marriage. Rather it is the office the so-called priest is holding that brings together man and wife. The priest is only God's instrument. The sinfulness of the priest has no bearing on the love between the couples about to be wed, rather God's grace can flow out from a flawed instrument. The first rule to observe is the officiating minister. He must be legally ordained minister of God, so it follows that it cannot just be performed by just any Joe.
Yes, the Priest is only an instrument. Marriage between two Baptized adults with the ability to make full consent, no impediments, and the intention of remaining married is binding for life.
Leave god out of it. Marriage is governed by civil law not the church and therefore if the priest was a fraud then the marriage is not valid and is void!!
Any marriage recognised by the State is recognised by God.
The marriage vows are taken by you and not the one who performs the ceremony....but the question should be whether you would like a crooked person to conduct your marriage
well being married is more of a state contract than it is a religious thing anymore.
ahahaha i guess?
Yes!!!
Yes am a girl
God Almighty is Just God, He does not punish some for others actions.
Every person is responsible for his/her actions not for others.Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
Yes. There was an early heresy colled Donatism that held otherwise. It was refuted by the doctrine ';ex opere operato'; (';from the work, the effect';) that proclaimed that the sacrament was effective regardles of the moral state of the minister. (Otherwise it would be a nightmare to sort out which rites were valid when.)
An average joe can ';perform'; a marriage if he is recognized by the state as a reliable witness, which is all the presider actually is. (It's the partners who do the marrying.) A judge, a licensed minister, maybe even a notary public, can witness the signing of a marriage certificate, which is all the state cares about. (A church may require a little more though.)
The Church teaches yes, for as long as all other rules of the church have been observed and met and no other impediments stand in the way. It is not the person that binds together a man and a woman in marriage. Rather it is the office the so-called priest is holding that brings together man and wife. The priest is only God's instrument. The sinfulness of the priest has no bearing on the love between the couples about to be wed, rather God's grace can flow out from a flawed instrument. The first rule to observe is the officiating minister. He must be legally ordained minister of God, so it follows that it cannot just be performed by just any Joe.
Yes, the Priest is only an instrument. Marriage between two Baptized adults with the ability to make full consent, no impediments, and the intention of remaining married is binding for life.
Leave god out of it. Marriage is governed by civil law not the church and therefore if the priest was a fraud then the marriage is not valid and is void!!
Any marriage recognised by the State is recognised by God.
The marriage vows are taken by you and not the one who performs the ceremony....but the question should be whether you would like a crooked person to conduct your marriage
well being married is more of a state contract than it is a religious thing anymore.
ahahaha i guess?
Yes!!!
Yes am a girl
Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
Making a marriage work can be difficult, frustrating, and very challenging...But more and more couples are realising that they need to give special attention to make their marriages work...Everyone employs different techniques -- right from analysing the problem themselves to getting professional help. Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
I think it can help but ONLY if both parties are willing to go through the process. Even personal therapy is difficult so I can imagine how much worse the beginning stages are when 2 people are involved. Unfortunately in order to get to the core of some issues you have to go through a journey of pain first. I thought I felt like crap when I entered therapy for myself but I had no idea I would feel even worse the first few weeks. I had to confront some demons that I really wanted to squash %26amp; not think about. That's when a lot of people drop out. They think therapy makes them feel worse because they're not seeing the light at the END of the tunnel. Especially for married couples. Men do not like to be challenged. If someone points their finger at them %26amp; says they're wrong they usually bail. They're not willing to sit there %26amp; be told by another man (or especially a woman) that they are at fault. Best of luck. If you both have an open mind it will work. I know my husband would never make it through one session.Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
I think if 2people really want to save their marriage %26amp; move it forward to a new stage they will have to go through so much to get there as counselling can open up a lot of pain %26amp; issues both people are feeling. It can also bring out resentments, pain but then the healing can begin %26amp; with the help of counselling they can learn to communicate easier so can move forward....It at least shows that both people are willing to give it one last try to make it work...The good thing I would think is that it gives the people a chance to talk without arguing if were left to their own devices to try %26amp; sort out. Hope you are well :)
For some this can work but in all cases both parties have to be willing to participate. I have found in my many years of marriage that having God in my life and my marriage has be a strong building block to success in my life.
You want success in life and in your relationship be it BF/GF or husband and wife. SEEK GOD AND PRAYER.
Trust me miracles do happen it is not a load of BS. If you was to look at most of the long lasting marriages in this world I would succumb to many of them having some kind of religion or belief in God in their life.
Having an all powerful force to handle some of the rough parts of any relationship or just to be there to comfort you and bring you joy and peace is awesome.
Love God, Love your life, Have Faith he can save everything.
It takes two willing parties to make a marriage work, if the two of you want to work out the issues at hand and to all the hard work, then go for it..relationships in general takes time and attention..marriages are so long term..they need maintaince from time to time..
To truly love, this is all that's required. Men have forgotten that women are a mystery to be solved and that to a true lover a woman hides nothing.
In my opinion I feel it all depends on the circumstances. If 2 people can not live happily together then no counseling no matter how good the counselor is will work.
Under these situation counselling will help to save the marriage from breaking?
yes definitely! i myself am a counselor. its not an easy task. but surely it can help the family deal with major issues that otherwise wud remain unresolved.
Yes, It can help if two people are willing to work at it. If both partners gave 100% to the other person, there would be no need for any one to want anything,
If there is a little will ,there is a way.........counselling helps to save the marriage...........
Sometimes it can, sometimes it makes things worse. It really depends on who wants what to work.
only true love can save a marriage.....if love is there then this situation wont arise.....
counselling helps them stay under one roof and pursuing their own life.
Provided both of them go with an open mind and a big Heart.
Yes surely.
I really don't know me myself having problems with my husband
Yes,it is the best.
upcource yes..but there is a condition that d couple should believe
that counceller w'll tell right thing %26amp; we should obey that............ then that w'l work................
depends maybe or may not be
all the bestblue makeup
I think it can help but ONLY if both parties are willing to go through the process. Even personal therapy is difficult so I can imagine how much worse the beginning stages are when 2 people are involved. Unfortunately in order to get to the core of some issues you have to go through a journey of pain first. I thought I felt like crap when I entered therapy for myself but I had no idea I would feel even worse the first few weeks. I had to confront some demons that I really wanted to squash %26amp; not think about. That's when a lot of people drop out. They think therapy makes them feel worse because they're not seeing the light at the END of the tunnel. Especially for married couples. Men do not like to be challenged. If someone points their finger at them %26amp; says they're wrong they usually bail. They're not willing to sit there %26amp; be told by another man (or especially a woman) that they are at fault. Best of luck. If you both have an open mind it will work. I know my husband would never make it through one session.Do you feel counselling can help to save the marriage from breaking?
I think if 2people really want to save their marriage %26amp; move it forward to a new stage they will have to go through so much to get there as counselling can open up a lot of pain %26amp; issues both people are feeling. It can also bring out resentments, pain but then the healing can begin %26amp; with the help of counselling they can learn to communicate easier so can move forward....It at least shows that both people are willing to give it one last try to make it work...The good thing I would think is that it gives the people a chance to talk without arguing if were left to their own devices to try %26amp; sort out. Hope you are well :)
For some this can work but in all cases both parties have to be willing to participate. I have found in my many years of marriage that having God in my life and my marriage has be a strong building block to success in my life.
You want success in life and in your relationship be it BF/GF or husband and wife. SEEK GOD AND PRAYER.
Trust me miracles do happen it is not a load of BS. If you was to look at most of the long lasting marriages in this world I would succumb to many of them having some kind of religion or belief in God in their life.
Having an all powerful force to handle some of the rough parts of any relationship or just to be there to comfort you and bring you joy and peace is awesome.
Love God, Love your life, Have Faith he can save everything.
It takes two willing parties to make a marriage work, if the two of you want to work out the issues at hand and to all the hard work, then go for it..relationships in general takes time and attention..marriages are so long term..they need maintaince from time to time..
To truly love, this is all that's required. Men have forgotten that women are a mystery to be solved and that to a true lover a woman hides nothing.
In my opinion I feel it all depends on the circumstances. If 2 people can not live happily together then no counseling no matter how good the counselor is will work.
Under these situation counselling will help to save the marriage from breaking?
yes definitely! i myself am a counselor. its not an easy task. but surely it can help the family deal with major issues that otherwise wud remain unresolved.
Yes, It can help if two people are willing to work at it. If both partners gave 100% to the other person, there would be no need for any one to want anything,
If there is a little will ,there is a way.........counselling helps to save the marriage...........
Sometimes it can, sometimes it makes things worse. It really depends on who wants what to work.
only true love can save a marriage.....if love is there then this situation wont arise.....
counselling helps them stay under one roof and pursuing their own life.
Provided both of them go with an open mind and a big Heart.
Yes surely.
I really don't know me myself having problems with my husband
Yes,it is the best.
upcource yes..but there is a condition that d couple should believe
that counceller w'll tell right thing %26amp; we should obey that............ then that w'l work................
depends maybe or may not be
all the best
Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
If so would God recognize a marriage performed by an average joe?Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
God Almighty is Just God, He does not punish some for others actions.
Every person is responsible for his/her actions not for others.Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
Yes. There was an early heresy colled Donatism that held otherwise. It was refuted by the doctrine ';ex opere operato'; (';from the work, the effect';) that proclaimed that the sacrament was effective regardles of the moral state of the minister. (Otherwise it would be a nightmare to sort out which rites were valid when.)
An average joe can ';perform'; a marriage if he is recognized by the state as a reliable witness, which is all the presider actually is. (It's the partners who do the marrying.) A judge, a licensed minister, maybe even a notary public, can witness the signing of a marriage certificate, which is all the state cares about. (A church may require a little more though.)
The Church teaches yes, for as long as all other rules of the church have been observed and met and no other impediments stand in the way. It is not the person that binds together a man and a woman in marriage. Rather it is the office the so-called priest is holding that brings together man and wife. The priest is only God's instrument. The sinfulness of the priest has no bearing on the love between the couples about to be wed, rather God's grace can flow out from a flawed instrument. The first rule to observe is the officiating minister. He must be legally ordained minister of God, so it follows that it cannot just be performed by just any Joe.
Yes, the Priest is only an instrument. Marriage between two Baptized adults with the ability to make full consent, no impediments, and the intention of remaining married is binding for life.
Leave god out of it. Marriage is governed by civil law not the church and therefore if the priest was a fraud then the marriage is not valid and is void!!
Any marriage recognised by the State is recognised by God.
The marriage vows are taken by you and not the one who performs the ceremony....but the question should be whether you would like a crooked person to conduct your marriage
well being married is more of a state contract than it is a religious thing anymore.
ahahaha i guess?
Yes!!!
Yes am a girl
God Almighty is Just God, He does not punish some for others actions.
Every person is responsible for his/her actions not for others.Is a marriage performed by a crooked priest still recognized by God?
Yes. There was an early heresy colled Donatism that held otherwise. It was refuted by the doctrine ';ex opere operato'; (';from the work, the effect';) that proclaimed that the sacrament was effective regardles of the moral state of the minister. (Otherwise it would be a nightmare to sort out which rites were valid when.)
An average joe can ';perform'; a marriage if he is recognized by the state as a reliable witness, which is all the presider actually is. (It's the partners who do the marrying.) A judge, a licensed minister, maybe even a notary public, can witness the signing of a marriage certificate, which is all the state cares about. (A church may require a little more though.)
The Church teaches yes, for as long as all other rules of the church have been observed and met and no other impediments stand in the way. It is not the person that binds together a man and a woman in marriage. Rather it is the office the so-called priest is holding that brings together man and wife. The priest is only God's instrument. The sinfulness of the priest has no bearing on the love between the couples about to be wed, rather God's grace can flow out from a flawed instrument. The first rule to observe is the officiating minister. He must be legally ordained minister of God, so it follows that it cannot just be performed by just any Joe.
Yes, the Priest is only an instrument. Marriage between two Baptized adults with the ability to make full consent, no impediments, and the intention of remaining married is binding for life.
Leave god out of it. Marriage is governed by civil law not the church and therefore if the priest was a fraud then the marriage is not valid and is void!!
Any marriage recognised by the State is recognised by God.
The marriage vows are taken by you and not the one who performs the ceremony....but the question should be whether you would like a crooked person to conduct your marriage
well being married is more of a state contract than it is a religious thing anymore.
ahahaha i guess?
Yes!!!
Yes am a girl
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